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Old 01-06-2006, 04:40 PM
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lol! That was me, too. I was constantly soaked from dripping breast milk and dd would pop off and my milk would spray all over the place. I was like a human fire hydrant. I'll be thinking positive thoughts for you to get lucky even if it is unlikely with the type of surgery that you had.

It is wonderful that you are commited to providing some of your baby's milk even if you can't do it all, though.
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:23 AM
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I was a human fire hydrant too (nice image!) but for whatever reason it wasn't enough for my wee boy. He screamed blue murder for the first six weeks, and was losing weight too, even though I seemed to have plenty of milk and was feeding him constantly (on-demand). I was so anti-formula and just never imagined that I couldn't overcome any difficulties in breastfeeding. I had a super pro-breastfeeding midwife, lactation consultant and doctor on the case and when they all agreed that it was time to supplement with formula, I was so disappointed. But he had one bottle and slept for five hours straight - it was miraculous! And ever since then he's been a happy wee soul who very rarely cries.
I don't even know if the formula is vegan - I just figured that it's better than the dairy one.
Anyway, good luck with your wee one, Emma - and stay away from the judgemental boards!
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Old 01-08-2006, 07:13 AM
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I'm a breastfeeding advocate. I think its important that we as mothers quit blaming each other and put the blame where it belongs ... on a society that has sexualized breasts and forgotten that all mammals lactate to feed their young. Yes, there are a few women that can't breastfeed, but many more women get bad advice about breastfeeding from family, friends, the media, and yes, the medical community. For those of you that weren't successful the first time around, I would encourage you to seek out more information and try again next time. It doesn't have to be "I couldn't do it the first time; I can never do it", nor does it have to be "us against them". We're all in this together, all trying to do the best for our children.

I know this has nothing to do with the OP, but I hear a lot of hurt feelings from the formula feeders, and as a breastfeeder (actually my child weaned a few months ago, shortly before his 6th birthday), I too have felt judged. Its a 2-way street.
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Old 03-10-2006, 01:43 AM
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Gosh! I wish I saw this post earlier. There is a vegan formula suitable from birth to any month, it's Farleys Soy formula by Heinz. You'd have to order it on the web from the uk. I know it's available from www.auravita.com (search for farleys vegan with their global search tool).
In the meantime checking the origin of the D3 (fish or lanolin) could be an option. If I had to give D3 I'd rather have it being from lanolin.
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Old 05-25-2007, 05:34 PM
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it isn't vegan but the nature's best (i think that is the name of the brand) soy formula is organic. Which is better than nothing. It is the brand they sell in health foods stores. they have the baby food with the baby in the field. It may not be completely vegan but it is soy and organic and a better company than others.
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Old 06-02-2007, 02:43 PM
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vegan baby formula

Hi, what happened with the lactation consultant? I'm glad someone already gave you the info from Mothering. Have you considered a milk bank? You can contact someone about buying breast milk. Yes, it's more difficult to find than formula but as you know it's MUCH healthier. Ideally, you will find someone vegan to do it. If you're interested check out my friend Melissa's website: www.kidbean.com and she could help you hopefully. She donated milk for many months. Do you have a local vegan parenting group? Is there any other vegan you know who is nursing? Could you buy her milk? Ask around. Obviously your baby needs to eat but really if you start pumping and keep going you hopefully will get lots of milk and then supplement with breast milk instead of formula. Remember to eat mostly green leafy veggies and fresh whole grains, that produces most of the milk. Also you can eat mugwort mochi and raspberry leaf tea.

Good luck.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:29 PM
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vegan formula in the UK

The UK Vegan Society lists Farley's as a vegan formula.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:58 PM
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macrobiotic 'formula'

I didn't even see Lakshmi's post about the one from the UK. Oops..
But I did remember there is a macrobiotic formula so to speak that you can make yourself it's called Kokkoh:
Kokkoh (Macrobiotic Rice Milk)


1 cup brown rice


10 cups water


1/4 tsp. salt

Wash the rice and toast it in a dry pan, stirring it constantly until it is golden and begins to pop. Add the water and salt and simmer for 2 hours or more on a low flame, stirring occasionally. Squeeze out the cream with a cheesecloth. This milk can serve as the basis for infant formula if it is supplemented with other nutrients, as in the recipes below.

Hernandez Formula


1 qt. oat, rice, almond, or soy milk (ranked here by ease of digestion), heated to boiling, then cooled


1 cup organic carrot juice


1/2 cup of strained liquid from a mixture of cooked bean sprouts (mung bean, lentil, and alfalfa)


1 tbsp. maple syrup


1 tsp. virgin coconut oil


300 IU calcium/magnesium liquid


250 mg. Vitamin C powder


1 tbsp. nutritional yeast


1/2 tsp. chlorophyll liquid


100 mcg. folic acid

Various milks have very different protein contents. Work with a naturopathic doctor to tune these amounts if using this formula longer than a few weeks. In addition, borage oil, flax oil, or evening primrose oil can be added as a source of gamma linolenic acid (GLA). Human milk has significant amounts of GLA and it is required for the synthesis of necessary hormones.

Loffler-Wright Infant Formula

(From Medical Nutrition from Marz)


1 quart whole oat, rice, almond, or soy milk


1 cup carrot juice


200 mg DHA (deva and some other companies have vegan ones)


1 tablespoon pure maple syrup


1 tablespoon barley green or Spirulina


1 teaspoon molasses


100 IU Vitamin D


0.1 mg folate


500 mg Carnitine

This formula should be made up daily. Since it oxidizes rapidly, it is best to store it in an airtight container in the refrigerator, or pre-bottled in the unit-dose baby bottles. Vitamins and syrups can be pre-mixed and ready for more convenient preparation.

Wright-Loffler Formula


1 qt. soy milk


1 cup carrot juice


1/4 tsp. barley green


200 IUs Vitamin D


1/4 tsp. nutritional yeast


100 mg. Vitamin C


1 Tbsp. virgin coconut oil


1 tablespoon maple syrup

Other modifications can be made to this formula if the infant is premature or has poor muscle development. In particular, L-Carnitine is critical for the oxidation of fatty acids, so you may want to add that (500 mg/qt) for older babies. Newborns have a very limited ability to synthesize carnitine, especially premature ones.

Another modification that can be made in the formula is the addition of DHA (Docosahexaeinoic acid), which is critical for visual acuity and brain development. Infants fed formulas that were devoid of these essential fatty acids showed significantly slower brain development and less visual acuity as babies and toddlers. Many countries in Europe and Asia require that DHA be added to infant formulas. Currently, supplemental amounts are controversial. The FDA is currently considering this ingredient to be required in infant formulas in the U.S., but there is strong opposition by infant formula manufacturers.

NaturoDoc Note: Our guessitimate is that 200 mg of DHA per quart is a conservative supplemental level.

Excerpted and adapted from The Baby Book: Everything You Need to Know About Your Baby From Birth to Age Two, by William Sears, MD, and Martha Sears, RN, Little, Brown and Company, New York, 1993.

Naturally Healthy Infant Formula

This formula is a soy-based formula. Rice- or oatmeal-based formulas are also nutritious and well-tolerated.

To make one quart, blend the following ingredients:


One-half teaspoon of powdered Bifidus-type acidophilus bacteria, such as Natren (best vegan one in my opinion), Lactopriv, Eugalan, Topfer, or other powders.


200 mg. of calcium ascorbate crystals.


100 mcg. folic acid


1 tablespoon of protein powder.


One teaspoon lecithin granules. Mix with the dry ingredients for addition to the warmed milk.


Two teaspoons total of oil: one teaspoon virgin coconut oil, and one teaspoon flax or olive oil. Organic oils are best.



One quart of plain unsweetened organic rice or almond milk.

Notes: A liquid pediatric multiple vitamin may be used with this formula; two suggestions are Floridix or NF. At 5 months, molasses may be added for extra iron, and dulse or kelp flakes can be introduced into the diet for iodine.

Dr. Lee's Formula


1 qt. oat, rice, almond, or soy milk, or preferred combinations


200 mcg. folic acid


1-2 mg. B complex (dissolve a 50 mg. tablet in a 1 oz. dropper bottle of water, and use 2 dropperfuls of this mixture in a day's worth of formula)


1 tsp. virgin coconut oil


1 drop wheat germ oil


1,000 IU's Beta-carotene (1/2 of a small capsule stirred into milk)


1 pinch of powdered ginger


1 pinch of sea salt

Serve at room temperature, or slightly warm at 85-95 degrees F.

The Farm (Tennessee) Recipe for Soy Milk

This preparation is affordable and convenient for many families to add to other infant formula recipes. Soy products, especially commercial products, have proven difficult to digest for some infants and they can even cause allergies, so either be sure your children can handle it or use other milk substitutes.


Rinse 2-1/2 cups whole soybeans and soak in 5 cups cool water for 8-10 hours.


Blend 1 cup soybeans with 2-1/2 cups hot water at high speed for about 1 minute, or until beans are finely ground.


Repeat until all beans are blended.


Put in a large pot over medium-high flame. When soy starts to boil, turn down heat and simmer for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally.


Pour soy through cheesecloth, twisting pulp in cloth to squeeze out milk.


Repeat process, pouring 2 cups boiling water in with remaining pulp and straining again. Supplement with food or breast milk.

References

FAO/WHO Guidelines for Nutrient Intake for Infants. 1972.
Let's Have Healthy Children, by Adele Davis.
Laurel's Kitchen, by Robertson, Flinders and Godfrey.
Macrobiotic Childcare and Family Health, by Michio and Aveline Kushi.

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/children/formula.htm
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:20 AM
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um, WOW! that was possibly the most impressive thing i've seen on this board.
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Old 06-03-2007, 09:20 AM
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vegan formula

Glad I could help out. I think that's my mission in life, seek out info and help, as long as it's vegan. I'm on the veganmacrobiotic path, been so since 2000 I see how important it is to (as vegans) show a healthy example. Macrobiotics has taught me so much, especially about balance and how food makes us feel. One of the most important things to consider is that as vegans sugar is one of the MOST dangerous things to put in our body. Meat is on one end of the scale, yang and sugar is totally yin. So, if we're not consuming flesh and consuming sugar we are throwing our body completely off balance. Getting sugars out of my diet was one of the best things I could do. It's in EVERYTHING. It weakens the immune system and is the cause of so many diseases. Ok, shutting up now.
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Old 06-08-2007, 04:36 PM
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VeganMacrochick: Please tell me how to get sugar out of your diet, because that is my weakness. I mostly use "better" sweetners, but I still eat way too much. I am also interested in macrobiotics, so please share details about your transition!

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Old 06-08-2007, 07:50 PM
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I'm interested in hearing more too, veganmacrochick.

I loved your explanation of meat & sugar being the yin and yang. I've been thinking on that this week and would love to cut down on my sugar too.

Thanks for the great info!
I'm really thinking you should start a new macrobiotic thread where you can share all your great advice!

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Old 06-29-2007, 09:33 AM
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The Farley's formula is the only one available that's vegan as previously mentioned but, I would check around on price as shipping would be high and you may be able to get a discount if ordered in cases and shipped bulk versus ordering a few cans at a time. Just a thought. I know if you google the name "Farley's Soya Formula" you can get a few hits, just remember to use the word soya. Best of luck!
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:18 AM
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Thanks so much for posting this Macrochick, I'm so curious of it, but where do you find the liquid calcium and nutritional ingredients? Do you know where I could order it?
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:19 PM
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This is pathetic! I'm so sorry that I didn't ever get back to anyone. It's been 3 years!!!!
Krista, you still around? You go sugar free?
I don't know if messages go to email to let you know there's something or you have to just remember to check here.
Sigh...
Cheri, did you start a macro thing?
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